What happens when your faith comes across a reality check in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? An essay by Jeffrey Owen
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The
Story
I
started having my "faith crisis", as I later found out it was
referred to, about three years ago at the time I'm finishing writing this,
which is December 2018. That puts the events about which I’ll be writing in
late 2015 up to now. Ironically enough, the onset of my faith crisis coincided
with when I was called to be an Elder's Quorum President in my home ward in St.
George, Utah. Several things happened all at once and in quick succession to
catalyze a foundational questioning of my beliefs, this questioning which would
then progress slowly.
In
October 2015 my wife and I did an In Vitro Fertilization fresh egg harvesting
followed by an embryo transfer. This was after multiple failed attempts of
Intrauterine Insemination after which we were turned over from our OBGYN to a
Reproductive Endocrinologist. Turns out we did end up getting pregnant on our
first IVF attempt which at the time I felt was a godsend. In fact, we got
pregnant with twins. Twelve weeks later in December, during one of our routine
ultrasounds we found out that one of the babies had passed away in utero. This
was the first thing that prompted me to thinking and questioning. The other
twin, Chloe, is a healthy toddler now.
About
one month before we found out this news, I was extended the calling of Elder’s
Quorum President. This would be in about November, 2015. I accepted the calling
and was set apart in January of 2016. That is not what prompted me to
questioning though, it was why they called me
to be Elder's Quorum President, someone who had very poor, practically
non-existent personal prayer and scripture study habits. It was sporadic. It
made me call into question the claim for divine inspiration especially in the
issuance of callings in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
hereafter referred to as the Church. Granted at the time I did still believe in
the Church and divine inspiration, I just thought it odd, even then, that they
would call someone with a severe lacking in the solo prayer and scripture study
departments. In hindsight, I think I was just the guy to pick because I was
organized, well spoken, in good standing in the ward, friendly, dependable, and
knowledgeable in the scriptures. I was simply a good choice. So number two,
I'll call the divine inspiration discrepancy.
Number
three. Shortly after I was called to be Elders Quorum President, the Bishop of
the ward sits me down to give me a rundown of the quorum. What Elders need
what, who needs help, then he drops this bomb on me that someone I'd known by
then for two years almost, had basically no testimony of the Church and didn't
even know if he believed in God. I didn't really show any emotion to the Bishop
telling me this, but I still remember vividly feeling like my spiritual jaw
just hit the floor. This was someone that I looked up to, was an acquaintance
of mine, and was incredibly intelligent. Overall it stunned me. It got me
thinking a lot about why someone like him would question in such a way. Not
that that was a bad thing, but how
and why?
Over
the next several months, the weighty duality of an in utero death of one of my
daughters and the loss of belief of an acquaintance led me to be very pensive
even amidst the busy duties of a full time intensive care unit registered
nursing job, bachelor's degree studies, and the newly acquired duties of an
Elders Quorum President. I tried not to think too much about anything in
particular though and tried to just skim through while doing the best I could
at juggling life. Most of my time however I felt a profound sadness and was
grieving for the loss of what could have been, with my wife, who was also very
much grieving.
Come
June 2016, my daughters were born. Ellie Mae was cremated. As for Chloe, I
honestly didn't really feel super close to her for about a year until she
started talking and putting words together. I loved her notwithstanding and
love her more every day now that she toddles around and has a super
personality. It wasn't how a lot of people describe it though at the time where
I was supposed to feel this overwhelming God/love presence all of a sudden in
my heart and home. On the contrary, it was around the time of Chloe's birth
that I realized I felt quite the opposite: a lack of God's touch in my life or
even presence for that matter.
The
prior six months I had done a lot of researching online looking for some type
of spirituality or something more than what I was getting at church, because attending
church was boring, had always been boring, and still to this day, might be the
most boring three hours I endure every week, soon to be two hours. I would go
there and feel completely unfed, and this is after making sure the lessons were
of a better quality than what they were when I was not the Elder’s Quorum
President. It just felt hollow and unfulfilling.
So
during the natural progression of my curiosity and exploration I stumbled
across Rock Waterman's blog PureMormonism and read a couple of his essays,
which is a feat in and of itself. They're long. But that was and is the type of
person I am. I have an attention span and a hunger for learning that affords me
the patience to read a two hour blog essay from start to finish in the course
of a day, amidst other responsibilities. What I read troubled me and catalyzed
a serious skepticism and questioning in my mind about why there had been so
many changes on this doctrine or that policy and why things were the way they
were in the Church now when they were so different at the time of the Church's
founding.
The
months moved on and by the end of 2016 I had realized that my spiritual
questions were more of a foundational and fundamental nature, such as,
"Does God exist?" "Is Jesus Christ divine?" "Is there
an afterlife? What's it like?" Well, I thought there was an inherent
conflict of interest with me holding the calling I did and having such
fundamental questions. I didn't think it appropriate. I approached my bishop
very softly and expressed my concerns and he basically told me to hang in there
and continue reading the scriptures and praying. In reality, I think he was
uncomfortable with needing to find and call a new Elder's Quorum President with
just a couple of months until he was to be released. I don't hold it against
him either, I get it. I also respect him very much and consider him a friend.
And
I did try praying too. I was at the point where I really wanted to hear if God
had anything with which to defend Himself or verify to me that He even existed,
that if He truly cared about each of us individually, now was the time to let
me know something about it. I prayed in my living room in the dark when Lindsay
was asleep in bed and I felt absolutely nothing.
At
about this time my wonderful wife was feeling like something was up with me
because I was acting sad, stressed, and depressed, according to her. She got to
the point where she asked me about it in a gentle manner, and I told her what I
was thinking. Now understand, at this point my issues were almost exclusively
of a foundational nature despite the moderate amount of research I had read about
the Church itself. With regard to my Church issues, I was doing the cognitive
dissonance dance and really just ignoring anything that conflicted with my
beliefs too much.
Lindsay
and I talked about my feelings and my lack of feeling God in my life and that I
really had no idea what I believed in at that point. The conversation was not
really long, but I let her know what I was thinking and that I was scared to
talk to her about it because of the horror stories you hear about other people
going through the same thing being left by their spouse. I should have been
more trusting. My wife surprises me again and again with how understanding and
compassionate she is.
Around
the beginning of 2017 a new bishop was called in our ward. I decided to give
him a month before approaching him about my concerns, to let him settle into
his new stressful position. A month came and went, and nothing changed in
regards to my deteriorating belief in God, so I sat down with him and told him
that I no longer felt like I could testify about anything really, and that I
didn't know whether or not I believed in God. He told me the same things that
the prior bishop told me, albeit more awkwardly because he was new at his job.
He told me to try to do things that helped me feel the spirit, like listening
to wholesome music and attending the temple. No decisions were made at that
meeting between us.
Another
month or two passed and by this time I was getting increasingly uncomfortable
having to speak publicly at all in a church setting. This was a problem because
the Elder's Quorum Presidency taught once a month and I had it set up so that
we would rotate amongst myself and the counselors. For probably 4-6 months I
had been intentionally dodging having to teach until it came right down to me
pulling one of my counselors aside and saying something to the effect of,
"Hey, I need to talk to you. I need you to teach for me this month. I no
longer feel like I have a testimony and I'm going to request to be released
from being President." He was accepting but understandably a little
shocked, much like I was a year and a half before when I was in his position when
I found out about the lack of belief of an acquaintance. He graciously
accommodated my request and was understanding of my situation. We never did
speak of it again though, and not for lack of desire. I just think it was
awkward for him. Maybe he felt like it was something I didn’t want to talk
about. I never approached him about it either. I don’t know. We remain friends
to this day.
Shortly
thereafter I explicitly asked my bishop to release me and find someone else.
Within a month and a half I was released and someone else was called to be Elder’s
Quorum President. My other counselor and secretary to this day still don't know
why we were all released (as far as I know). They probably think it was just
time to call in a new presidency. It had been a year and a half after all.
After
being released the Bishop tried to "feel me out" for a calling to be
in the nursery. That's when they basically ask you to do it, but it's not
official. Something to the effect of, "Hey, what would you think about
being in the nursery?" Then if you say yes they schedule a meeting to
officially ask you. I said no, my reasoning being that if I was uncomfortable
holding a calling being the Elder's Quorum President, than I would feel
uncomfortable accepting a calling in the nursery because of my disbelief in the
claim of divine inspiration for callings. I wasn't going to do one calling when
I wouldn't do another. Really, he just wanted to give me a calling to keep me
coming to church, is what I think. Again, I get it. And I have to say that I
really respect this man. I considered him a friend before he was called to be
bishop and he was very understanding and accommodating of my situation as it
unfolded.
After
all of this, I actually started reading in earnest about Church history. Talk
about a testimony check. The Tom Phillips Second Anointing podcast by
MormonStories was the catalyst that got me looking into Church history and
issues of the Church, of which there is a proverbial closet packed full of
skeletons. All I needed was Google and a brain to see that what was one man's
"anti-Mormonism" was simply another man's historical verifiable fact.
Before that point I was still trying to abstain from reading anything that
could be construed as anti-Mormon. Why I would ever intentionally avoid
information because I’m told it’s dangerous is a silly idea to me now. It’s for
me to evaluate information and decide whether or not it is factual or skewed,
regardless of the light it casts on the Church.
I
watched a lot of podcasts on YouTube and honestly think it has helped so much,
especially the episodes where people talk about what they went through with
their faith crises. It's helpful to realize that hundreds and thousands of
other people are going through or have gone through the same exact thing that
I'm going through right now, that I’m not alone.
That
brings me to now. It's been about a year and a half since I asked to be
released from my calling and three years since the onset of my faith crisis. So
much has changed with regard to my beliefs about God and the Church. And so
much has not changed. I still very much love my wife and she still loves me. I
still, if not more so than I did before, value integrity, honesty, loyalty, the
significance of values and standards, as well as the prioritization of raising
a kind, thoughtful, intelligent, well-rounded and observant family.
What
I’ve just presented is what constitutes the “context” of my faith crisis. What
I’m now going to present is a non-comprehensive list of my actual issues with
and observations about the Church. I’ll begin by sharing a quote.
“If
we have truth, [it] cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not truth, it
ought to be harmed." 1
This was said by J. Reuben Clark, “an American attorney, civil servant, and a
prominent leader in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…” 2
I’ve
studied Church history extensively and lost my belief in the veracity of the Church’s
claims, namely the disparity between historical fact and what we are told or
led to believe by the Church leadership, whether local or as high as the twelve
Apostles and First Presidency, whether explicitly said, implicitly inferred, or
an issue skirted all together.
In
sharing this I feel like I need to add a disclaimer first regarding and
clarifying my intentions so there is no misunderstanding. My intent in sharing
this is first and foremost to be informative and provide both the context and
the information that caused me, Jeffrey
Owen, to have such a drastic and life altering change of heart about the claims
of the Church. It was written primarily with Mormons in mind, but non-Mormons
and those investigating the Church may benefit from it as well. It was written
in order that those reading better be able to understand a different point of
view, line of reasoning and thinking, and to develop empathy for what I believe
is not only a prototypical faith crisis, but that which is also going to become
a more common and public problem in the Church in the future, and what is
already a common private problem held by many Mormons, unbeknownst to the
majority. Furthermore, the reason why
I am releasing this is because the weight of this secret has been constant,
oppressive, suffocating, distracting, and anxiety producing for me, which I
find to be an untenable and unbearable situation during graduate school.
My
intent is not to persuade anyone to
my point of view or instigate a traumatic faith crisis that could cause people
pain and suffering, as I’ve endured. I will also say that I personally believe
that we as individuals should question our circumstances and beliefs about
everything on a daily basis and continue to strive for that which is true and
correct regardless of where that leads us. Whether that is questioning why we
hold specific religious or spiritual beliefs, or why we practice certain
protocols in medicine, it all should be subject to questioning and improvement.
As
an additional disclaimer I will say that I am not an LDS scholar. I have not
studied religion at an LDS college. However,
the Church has never put any value on educational degrees with respect to one’s
ability to teach or understand doctrine in the Church. I am someone who has
read The Book of Mormon in its
entirety, multiple times, went on a two year mission, devoted years of my life,
years of my money, and years of my time and effort to the Church, and hours
upon hours of listening and studying the Church’s sources, the Church’s
scriptures, and official Church publications and general conference talks. I
follow current events as it pertains to the Church. I read stories that
intentionally frame the Church positively, stories that intentionally frame the
Church poorly, and stories that are fairly neutral. I follow the political
activities of the Church. All of this together means that I consider myself
well versed in LDS doctrine, policy, and current events, and intimately
familiar with the culture of the Church which makes me more than qualified and
more qualified than most, to voice an opinion on matters pertaining to the Church.
To
sum that up, I think that my time spent researching these issues has been in
depth and sufficient for me to come to the conclusions I’ve come to. That is
not to say however, that I know everything about the topics. But, there is only
so much time in the day and having spent a large chunk of my time over the past
three years reviewing and looking into this information has led me to believe
that my efforts have been more than sufficient and were I to continue to
research these issues as voraciously as I have been or even spend the next
twenty years becoming the foremost expert on these topics, I don’t think it
would change anything with respect to how I view the Church’s claims.
Note
that links are provided within the essay. Often times hyperlinks within the
essay will lead to an essay or a website. *PLEASE* see the Resources page at
the end of this essay for more information pertaining to each individual quote
and source. There will likely be directions on how to navigate to the exact
spot where a quote or picture is located as well as any context needed.
The Issues
(In
no particular order of significance)
1. The Church has
repeatedly and erroneously portrayed the translation of The Book of Mormon in pictures in the Ensign, a widely dispersed Church
magazine, as well as on their websites and other Church publications, and only
recently has acknowledged how The Book of
Mormon actually came to be. The translation is often portrayed as seen
here:
And here:
Most
Mormons do not in fact know the real method by which The Book of Mormon was translated. They are led to believe that
Joseph Smith Jr. pored over the plates in righteous consternation while
verbally dictating a literal translation of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic
characters to a scribe, who was positioned so as to not see the golden plates
from which the translation was supposedly occurring.
In
fact, a “peep stone” or “seer stone” was used by Smith to do the translation,
almost at the entire exclusion of the Urim and Thummim, which is widely
believed by LDS membership to be the primary and exclusive source of
translating power possessed by Smith. The peep stone was a rock that he found
years prior while digging a well for Chase Mason, on Chase Mason’s property. 5
The
actual method of translation consisted of the stone being put in a hat by Smith
after which he would put his face in the hat, attempting to exclude all light,
wherein he would see illuminated characters revealed which he would then
dictate to a scribe. 6
Richard
Bushman, LDS historian and author of the prominent biography on Joseph Smith,
Jr., Rough Stone Rolling, said,
“Joseph
put the seer stone in a hat to exclude the light and read off the translated
text by looking in the stone. All the while, the plates lay wrapped in a cloth
on the table. Apparently Joseph did not look at the plates through most of the
translation... The actual process by which The
Book of Mormon was translated, according to the witnesses of the event and
the earliest sources, is generally unknown to members of the Church.” 7
This
is verifiable proof that Smith did not in fact translate the plates as he and
the Church both claim, as the method portrayed that led to the coming forth of The Book of Mormon did not demonstrate
actual translation. Rather, it would be more appropriate to deem what we call
“translation” a dictation instead, as it pertains to The Book of Mormon.
Knowing
these circumstances about the coming forth of The Book of Mormon begs us to question the Church’s claims of The Book of Mormon being divine,
revelatory, a literal history, and a literal translation, since in fact, it was
not ever translated in any way resembling what the Church has so long claimed.
The
peep stone is well summarized by an editor on Mormonthink.com, when he said,
“Why
would a common stone "discovered in the ground" have the same
prophetic seering abilities as the spectacle urim & thummim which was
"kept and preserved by the hand of the Lord" and "handed down
from generation to generation, for the purpose of interpreting languages"?
The
[LDS essay on the Translation of The Book
of Mormon] 8 completely glosses
over the fundamental question of this seer stone - Did the seer stone have any
special abilities o[r] was it just a stone? The essay implies that this stone had
some sort of power. The essay neglects to say that it was found some 24 feet
underground on Mason Chase's property when Joseph and his brother Hyrum were
digging a well for Mr. Chase. So why would this stone unearthed on Mr. Chase's
property have any special seering abilities? It was not given to Joseph by the
angel. It was not in the stone box with the plates. There is no evidence it was
used anciently by the Nephite prophets. So why would this ordinary rock have
any special abilities whatsoever?” 9
Furthermore,
Dan Vogel, an independent researcher and author and one of the most
knowledgeable individuals when it comes to early Mormon historical documents, 10 has this to say
about The Book of Mormon:
“Eyewitness
testimony confirms that Joseph Smith translated The Book of Mormon in the same manner that he once hunted for
buried treasure: that is, with his brown-colored seer stone placed in the crown
of his white top hat and his face snug to its brim. Rather than seeing
treasures in the bowels of the earth, Smith claimed he saw luminous words on
the stone, which he read to a scribe. In this manner the entire Book of Mormon
as we have it came into existence. This fact conflicts with Joseph Smith's
official history, which claims that he used magic spectacles—which he
euphemistically called Urim and Thummim—attached to a breastplate...” 11
2. There was never
an official declaration or a revelation stating that the Church would deny the Priesthood
to the black race, as Church leadership was wont to give when making a drastic
policy change such as the rescinding of polygamy or blacks receiving the Priesthood.
As such, an official declaration 12
stating a reversal of something that never actually occurred was highly
inappropriate.
At
the time of this claimed revelation, in the 1970’s, there were instances of
schools losing their protective tax exempt status due to them having inflammatory
segregation policies. 13
The
Church owns and operates no less than three education institutions, those
being, Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, Brigham Young University Idaho
formerly known as Ricks College, located in Rexburg, Idaho, and the Church
College of Hawaii, also known as Brigham Young University Hawaii, located in
Laie, Hawaii, and was liable to a loss of tax exempt status at these schools as
happened in the precedent-setting case Bob Jones University vs. United States. 14 If such an exemption
were to have been made for the Church owned schools, it would have cost the Church
potentially tens of millions of dollars per year.
As
is also explained on BeggardsBread blog by a quote from the Ostlings, writers
of Mormon America, the construction
of the Brazilian temple posed a serious problem since there wouldn’t be enough Priesthood
holding members to man temple assignments as officiators and veil workers. It
can be inferred that this was also about money, as
“When
a temple is built, [there is] an identifiable increase in all revenue from the
area, and specifically tithing.” 15
BeggarsBread
continues,
“There
were not enough people with verified ancestry to run the temple, let alone be
patrons. Even with the change, missionaries were taken from the field and
trained as temple officiators and veil workers to man the temple for the first
month it was open. As far as dates, the revelation was made June 1978 and the
temple dedication was October 1978. Initial training of workers was held in
September. Very tight time frames by LDS Church standards.” 16
It
is very believable now why the Church reversed its almost 140 year old non-policy of disallowing the Priesthood
to blacks. When understood in this context, it suddenly makes a lot of sense
why the Church would reverse the policy at that time. The Church stood to lose
potentially tens of millions of dollars if it were to lose tax exempt status on
its schools, as well as the loss of potential income in the form of tithes and
offerings it stood to gain with the building and presence of the Brazilian
temple.
As
a second point, it is suspect how a church that claims to be led by divinely
called leadership, Prophets, and Apostles, could stand such a racist and
exclusionary policy which in effect denied an entire race entrance into the
Celestial kingdom by denial of the Priesthood and subsequent saving ordinances
which required the holding of the Priesthood. This is disturbing taking into
consideration Christ’s invitation to all men saying,
“23
And he (i.e., Christ) commandeth all men that they must repent, and be baptized
in his name, having perfect faith in the Holy One of Israel, or they cannot be
saved in the kingdom of God.
24
And if they will not repent and believe in his name, and be baptized in his
name, and endure to the end, they must be damned; for the Lord God, the Holy
One of Israel, has spoken it.” 17
By
His own mouth, Christ has qualified ALL to be baptized provided they repent and
believe in His name, according to The
Book of Mormon. That means all people, every single person, no one is
allowed to be disqualified, all regardless of race, etcetera. EVERY SINGLE
PERSON. Does this mean that if the Church leadership was restricting certain
demographics, that the Church leadership was also willing to suffer the
damnation in place of those who were not allowed to be baptized, as it says in
verse 24?
*EDIT* The above paragraph is not directly pertinent to the issue being presented, as blacks WERE allowed to be baptized prior to the revelation (duh.) It does NOT however change the principle argument or the validity of the point, in that LDS leadership essentially disallowed a race entrance into the celestial kingdom by way of not allowing them the Priesthood, and how that is suspect of a church that claims to be led by divinely called leadership, Prophets, and Apostles. *EDIT* (Made before making essay public as unable to alter video at this point.)
*EDIT* The above paragraph is not directly pertinent to the issue being presented, as blacks WERE allowed to be baptized prior to the revelation (duh.) It does NOT however change the principle argument or the validity of the point, in that LDS leadership essentially disallowed a race entrance into the celestial kingdom by way of not allowing them the Priesthood, and how that is suspect of a church that claims to be led by divinely called leadership, Prophets, and Apostles. *EDIT* (Made before making essay public as unable to alter video at this point.)
3. The recent policy
changes enacted on November 5th, 2015, by the Church, restricting baptism for
minors “whose primary residence is with a couple living in a same-gender
marriage or similar relationship” also go explicitly against Christ’s teachings
regarding His commandment for all to repent and be baptized in His name. 17, 18 It is also
exclusively aimed at an already highly persecuted minority and is at odds with
the Church’s efforts at being more accepting of the gay/queer community, as
they claim to be.
4. The claim made by
Joseph Smith, Jr. and the Church that the Book of Abraham was literally
translated by Joseph Smith, Jr. and was written by the hand of Abraham of the
Old Testament, is demonstrably false as is widely accepted by the academic
community based on the fact that the contents of the Book of Abraham do not
match whatsoever the contents of the papyrus from which Smith based his
translation, The Breathing Permit of Hor.
Here
is the claim on the title page of the Book of Abraham: “A Translation of some
ancient Records that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt.
The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written
by his own hand, upon papyrus.” 19
For
good measure, here is a screenshot of the claim taken in the “Gospel Library”
application. It was retrieved December 16th, 2018.
Robert
K. Ritner, an American Egyptologist of the University of Chicago, 20 wrote an essay
dissecting the mistakes of the Book of Abraham. 21 He summarized in the
opening and closing paragraphs of his essay, respectively, that,
“The
recent web posting on the Book of Abraham by The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-Day Saints (hereafter the LDS church) represents new reflection on a
document whose authenticity as verifiable history is now officially
acknowledged to be in serious dispute.” 21
Followed
by,
“With
the Book of Abraham now confirmed as a perhaps well-meaning, but erroneous
invention by Joseph Smith, the LDS church may well devote some reflection to
the status of the text. The former Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints, since 2001 renamed the Community of Christ, avoids this issue by
treating the Book of Abraham as speculative writing by Smith, not as a document
of historical truth. In this decision they are clearly correct. Despite its
inauthenticity as a genuine historical narrative, the Book of Abraham remains a
valuable witness to early American religious history and to the recourse to
ancient texts as sources of modern religious faith and speculation. The book
still has its uses and significance, but not for the ancient world of Egypt and
Abraham.” 21
This
leaves no room for doubt or interpretation. Joseph Smith incorrectly translated
the Book of Abraham. It is not what he claimed it was. The Book of Abraham does
not contain “…The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt” nor was it “…written
by [Abraham’s] own hand…”
5. The claim by Church
leadership that the Prophets and Apostles of the Church cannot lead the members
astray. In his talk Stay in the Boat and
Hold On!, Elder M. Russell Ballard says, “Keep the eyes of the mission on
the leaders of the Church. … We will not and … cannot lead [you] astray.” 22
This
is a false idea. It goes against the very foundation of the Plan of Salvation,
which is why it perplexes me so that it is every once in a while promulgated by
high leadership. The foundation of the Plan of Salvation is built upon the idea
of what we call free agency, meaning, every being is capable of making
decisions and not being forced to do anything against their will. The idea that
no person in a leadership position could ever lead the general membership
astray is completely contrary to the idea of free agency.
What’s
more, there are numerous examples of not only local leadership, but high leadership,
that’s to say, Prophets and Apostles, promoting false doctrine, i.e., leading
members astray, such as in the cases of:
- Adam God Doctrine famously touted by Brigham Young 23
- Boyd K. Packer implying that being gay is a choice (an absurd idea that the Church is walking back from now, only eight years later) 24, 25, 26
- The hushed excommunication of a standing general authority James J. Hamula 27
- The disaffection of area authority Hans Matson 28
- The disaffection of Stake President Tom Philips after his Second Anointing 29
- The calling of a known sexual predator to be MTC President to preside over thousands and thousands of young male and female missionaries as was the case with Joseph L. Bishop 30, 31
In
his book An Insider’s View of Mormon
Origins, Grant Palmer states,
“It
is the evangelical affinity of The Book
of Mormon that similarly identifies emotion as evidence of the truth.
Moroni 10:4-5 predicts that when one reads the book with ‘real intent,’ he or
she will know the ‘truth of it… by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the
power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.’ The Doctrine and Covenants
confirms that when preacher and hearer ‘are edified,’ or feel ‘the Spirit of
truth,’ that which they speak and hear is the truth (D&C 50:21-22).
Most
of us have felt this spiritual feeling when reading The Book of Mormon or hearing about Joseph Smith’s epiphanies. What
we interpret this to mean is that we have therefore encountered the truth, and
we then base subsequent religious commitments on these feelings. The question I
will pose is whether this is an unfailing guide to truth. Is something true
because I and others find it edifying? Hundreds of thousands of people believe
in the truthfulness of their own religion because of similar confirming
experiences. As one example, many people, including myself, felt this
confirming spirit when we heard the World War II stories of Utah Congressman
Douglas R. Stringfellow. Stringfellow’s experiences were later revealed to be a
complete hoax. I was about fourteen years old when I heard him speak, and it
was a truly inspiring experience. After Stringfellow concluded, I remember that
the leader conducting the meeting said, ‘If you have never felt the Spirit
before, it was here today in abundance.’ He was right. I felt it strongly, as
did many others, when hearing Paul H. Dunn, a member of the First Quorum of the
Seventy, relate his religious experiences during World War II and as a
professional baseball player. Today his stories are known to be contrived.” 32
The
examples above illustrate how Church leaders are not only more than capable of
leading us astray, but how they have done so on myriad occasions throughout the
history of the Church ever since its inception.
6. Polyandry, which
is a “form of polygamy in which a woman takes two or more husbands at the same
time,” 33 is
not only expressly forbidden in the Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:63, but
those who practice it are also threatened with destruction. 34 Polyandry was known
to be practiced first and foremost by Joseph Smith Jr., the first prophet of
the Church. In total, it’s estimated he was married to 11 women who were
currently married to other men. In these cases Joseph Smith was married to them
after they were already married. The women include: 35, 36
- Lucinda Morgan Harris
- Zina Huntington Jacobs
- Presendia Huntington Buell
- Sylvia Sessions Lyon
- Mary Rollins Lightner
- Patty Bartlett Sessions
- Marinda Johnson Hyde
- Elizabeth Davis Durfee
- Sarah Kingdsley Cleveland
- Ruth Vose Sayers
- Elvira Cowles Holmes
The
Church, in an attempt to be more transparent, released multiple essays one of
which is about Polygamy. It is entitled Plural
Marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and nowhere in
it is polyandry addressed or mentioned. 37 This is
prevarication. The Church has attempted to put this controversial issue to bed
by being open and transparent about what transpired, while at the same time,
keeping hush the fact that Smith married and was sealed to other women who were
already married to living husbands. Why all of this topic was not addressed in
the essay in one fell stroke is puzzling.
There
is a second essay entitled Plural Marriage
in Kirtland and Nauvoo 38 also available on
LDS.org, which goes into more depth regarding the more controversial aspects of
polygamy in the Church’s history, like polyandry. But why is this not all
addressed in one place on the Church’s website?
Many
details are left out or skirted which leaves an overall puzzled but forgiving
impression after reading essays on the topic of polygamy on the Church’s
website. This feeling of puzzlement and forgiveness evaporates when the Church’s
essays are shown in a whitewashed and half-truth telling light, as they are
shown to be in MormonThink’s essay response for the Kirtland and Nauvoo essay. 39
7. There are stark
similarities and parallels in Ethan Smith’s View
of the Hebrews 40 and The Book of Mormon. Both books speak of
the destruction of Jerusalem, Israelites coming to the American continent,
colonists spreading out to fill the entire land, an ancient book that was
preserved for a long time and then buried, and a buried book taken from the
earth. These parallels are presented differently in each respective book and
are listed
- The destruction of Jerusalem
- In View of the Hebrews, is carried out by the Romans in A.D. 70
- In The Book of Mormon, is carried out by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.
- Buried book taken from the earth
- In View of the Hebrews, is in the form of four, dark yellow, folded leaves of old parchment.
- In The Book of Mormon, is in the form of a set of inscribed golden metal plates.
- Colonists spreading out to fill the entire land
- In View of the Hebrews, colonists spread from the North to the South.
- In The Book of Mormon, colonists spread from the South to the North.
- Israelites coming to the American continent
- In The View of the Hebrews, Israelites come via dry land across the Bering Strait.
- In The Book of Mormon, Israelites come via the ocean on board a ship.
There are more parallels, these are just some of them.
There
are unmistakable, undeniable and unsettling similarities between the two books
and since View of the Hebrews was
published in 1823, a full seven years before The Book of Mormon was published, it can only be concluded that
Joseph Smith at the very least drew inspiration from View of the Hebrews, which clashes with the idea of him having
divinely translated The Book of Mormon.
FairMormon, an apologist LDS website, 42
argues that “Many of the ‘parallels’ that are discussed are not actually
parallels at all once they are fully examined:”. 43 I say that’s hogwash
and I’ll explain myself by way of a story.
When
I was in 3rd grade in Ms. Wetzel’s class, we had a sharing sort of
activity where one student would sit in a chair in front of the rest of the
class and read a piece of creative writing that they had written. One week, my
friend Matthew Bannister wrote and shared with the class a short story about
aliens abducting Ken Griffey, Jr., who was a center fielder for the Seattle
Mariners baseball club at the time. He was a big baseball fan. It was a hit.
The next week I wrote and shared a short story with the class about aliens abducting
Jeremy Roenick who was a center for the Phoenix Coyotes Hockey club at the
time.
After
I was done, one of the students raised her hand and said something along the
lines of “isn’t that the same as Matt’s story?”
“No!”
I denied.
But
it was.
So
when FairMormon argues that “Many of the ‘parallels’ that are discussed are not
actually parallels at all once they are fully examined,” that makes me think
about how in the third grade I plagiarized a story involving the alien
abduction of professional athletes. This would be like me denying that I did
not in fact copy Matthew, because the aliens abducted different athletes from
different teams in entirely different sports.
What
remains is that large undertones and entire plot scenarios are the same in The Book of Mormon as they are in the
previously written View of the Hebrews.
8. In the Church,
there is a pattern of covering up sexual abuse by leadership. The Church’s
approach to these cases appears to be a stance of protect the Church’s
reputation at all costs, as can be seen in the case of McKenna Denson’s
allegations against Joseph L. Bishop, which were then confirmed by Bishop
himself in a sting interview. 30, 31 I will preemptively say, that despite evidence having come out that indicates Denson is mentally unstable and has a history of lying, the evidence regarding the Bishop allegations is incontrovertible, as he admitted as much on tape.
Or,
the Church will take a completely hands off and look the other way approach
where they will scant acknowledge an accusation has ever been made, investigate
members against whom allegations are made, nor release them from callings, as
in the case of Jared Egley when he alleged that his uncle, recently called as
bishop (in 2018) sexually abused him when he was a child some 35 years earlier.
44 Nothing was done in
this case despite Egley’s proactivity and persistence in informing local
leadership of the character of the man that was in the process of being called
as a bishop.
Mormonleaks
recently (2018) released a document which was verified by Church lawyers as
authentic, which illuminated the process by which the Church approaches the
handling of sexual abuse allegations against its members and missionaries,
which is to say, primarily with regard to the Church’s reputation and without
regard to victims. 45 Police authority
were not notified and overall, there seems to have been nothing done by the Church,
which did result in the Church being protected from any potential fallout or
negative publicity.
9. The recent string
of high profile excommunications as in the cases of John Dehlin, a Mormon
podcaster, 46, 47 Sam Young, an LDS
Bishop turned activist, 48, 49 and most recently
Bill Reel, another LDS Bishop. 50, 51, 52
I
want to make it clear that I think the Church can proceed however it desires
with its members. The Church is not a democracy and every member should
understand that. That doesn’t mean that I agree with the excommunications or
view them in a positive light though. The Church has the right to excommunicate
members that it believes are in apostasy or for other reasons (the members I’ve
listed were all excommunicated for apostasy).
However,
I, as a member, have the right to completely disagree with the decision to
excommunicate these members, especially
since there are positive changes that have resulted from the proactivity of said
excommunicated members.
Essays
about controversial Church doctrine and controversial historical issues of the Church’s
past, some of which I’ve referenced in this essay, were released seemingly as a
result of Dehlin’s podcast and the agitation it caused the Church. So the Church
validated him by releasing the essays, then excommunicated him.
Many
Bishops are taking proactive measures against putting themselves in dangerous
or risky situations with children with regards to worthiness interviews,
seemingly as a result of Sam Young’s activity and cause. Whether this is out of
self-preservation or for the more altruistic reason of protecting children is
up for speculation, but Sam Young’s cause seems to have caused a direct and positive
change in the Church. So they validate him, then excommunicate him.
Bill
Reel, the most recent high profile excommunicant, was excommunicated for
calling Jeffrey R. Holland out in certain circumstances where Elder Holland
lied. He presented demonstrable evidence proving his point, was validated
during his disciplinary council, and excommunicated a couple of days later even
though he had told the truth. This is frankly appalling.
The
transcript of Reel’s disciplinary court is readily available in document form
online. 53 There are two places
of special interest in the 40 page transcription. On pages 28-29 the following
conversation takes place between Reel and the Stake President presiding over
the court:
“Bill
Reel (BR): Which particular thing am I being excommunicated for? Like, let’s
get one specific thing and say ‘You can not say THIS’
Stake
President (PC): You can not call anybody a liar... I don’t think you can call
anyone a lair? ... Apostles... We hold. Somebody in the position of an apostle
or a prophet who we know holds keys
(1:22:33)
BR: Even if they lied?
PC:
Even if they lied.
BR:
I’m glad. That’s beautiful.” 53
Then
on page 37, a High Councilman validates Reel’s premise that the Church lacks
integrity when he says,
“(1:38:21)
[High Councilman] HC (money line): Yeah, I think this has been an opportunity
to understand your point of view. I think that the purpose of the Council, as
was mentioned at the first, now your integrity is not in question at all. It
isn't. The purpose of this council is to look at protecting the integrity of
the church. And you mentioned that as well. and uh, but I believe now, that
pretty much as you outlined every step of your presentation, If you take all
that, there is no integrity left in the church. And so that's a problem. There are
a lot of nuances there. You are a very intelligent man. You've looked at
sources as you've said on both sides, all the information there. It leaves the
church with zero integrity." 53
Original
spelling, grammar, and punctuation kept intact.
10. Why do the
prophets and apostles today not perform miracles of the caliber recorded in the
Bible or the Doctrine & Covenants? Why do they not heal the sick? Why do
they not raise the dead? Why do they not heal withered arms? Why do they not
speak in tongues? Why do they not cure blindness? Why do they no longer
translate ancient documents? Why do they not prophesy of future events? Why do
they not call fire from the sky to consume the enemies of the Church? Why do
they not share the visions they see with the gift of their seership? Why do
they not share with us the content of their conversations with Christ? Why do they
not speak in Christ’s voice as the prophets of old did? If
you are someone who believes that every word that proceedeth forth out of the
mouth of the prophets and apostles is in
fact revelation, then why do we no longer canonize it? I don’t have any sources
for this point as I can’t source something that hasn’t taken place, but I will
add that the last canonized scripture was in 1978 and I’ve already gone over
that in my second issue. In any case, these are important questions entertain.
The Conclusions
This
concludes my personal story and essay. To reiterate, this was not comprehensive
by any means. I could have told of my childhood and mission and a variety of
subjective anecdotal experiences. I could have explored 30 issues I have with
the Church, but I thought the length was adequate.
The
purpose of this was to inform and provide a base for empathy as I believe faith
crises in the Church are going to continue to become more and more common, as
well as provide friends and strangers someone to whom they feel they can reach
out if they’re having similar feelings. I want people to know they’re not alone
in feeling like their world is crashing down on them, and that they’re not
crazy. I am open to publicly or privately discuss any part of this essay PROVIDED
it is done in a civilized and respectful manner with no personal attacks. I reserve
the right to make edits to this document at any time. I give permission in
advance for this essay to be shared publicly or privately PROVIDED there is no
monetary gain involved or editing done without my permission.
This
essay is not in any way shape or form for personal gain. It will never be
monetized in any way. While many of the retrieval dates are listed in December
of 2018, the bones of this essay were written in early to mid 2018 with the finishing
touches, revisions, and sourcing from about September to December 2018. All
that means is that I didn’t write this over the course of a week, but rather
over the course of a year.
EDIT: May 27, 2019, 8:45 PM, added a sentence clarifying Denson on point 8.
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You said at one point that you weren't sure if there was a God. I was wondering where you were on that. From what I've read 80% of those that leave the LDS church either become atheists or agnostics.
ReplyDeleteMost of my life I have attended church. I grew up in a Pentecostal denomination but now attend a Covenant denomination church. Even while still attending a Pentecostal church I started asking questions. Even if there was a God, after my dad passed away. Because of those questions and the research that I've done, I disagree with some of the doctrine that I grew up with. It wasn't the reason I left the Pentecostal church I attended but frankly I would not go back to their particular brand of faith.
I've been in conversation with a local Mormon missionary and what I've tried to get him to do is to always ask questions. Like you said I think we all should challenge our own belief systems, religious or not. If you ignore or are afraid to ask honest questions, then I would doubt that person's faith. When I was in my high school's evolution class, I went to my mom with questions. She told me you just have to believe. Though at that time there wasn't as much apologetic material as there is now, to avoid those questions is to put your head in the sand. If what you believe is truth, it will stand no matter who questions it.
Thanks for asking and the thoughtful comments. I'm pretty much still in the same boat as I was before, I'm just more comfortable with the fact that I don't know and nobody really does. If I had to categorize myself I'd say I'm somewhere between an 'optimistic agnostic' and an atheist. I'd like to believe that there is something beyond us or some type of higher power at play, but I don't think that anyone is able to prove that or ever will be able to. I also don't really think that there's any evidence that god exists and most people who do, attribute events that happen in their lives to god simply because they don't understand the circumstances that led to said events happening or they don't want to or are unable to confront the reasons why they happened. That being said, I'm guilty of the same. My wife miscarried one of our twins (like I said in the video) and I to this day still choose to believe that there is some afterlife in which I'll be reunited with her, in whatever form we may be. I believe that despite there being no evidence to suggest that. Do I do it because facing it fully is too difficult or because it's just easier to believe? Who knows.
DeleteSince I've left mormonism and religious thinking in general, I've been able to more readily divorce myself from the idea that religious or spiritual beliefs are package deals. Case in point, just because I believe in an afterlife, doesn't mean that that belief be predicated on the idea that god or a supreme ruler over the afterlife must exist. The two are separate ideas completely. In any case, I'm rambling. I've left religion entirely but I still think about existential topics and life and the purpose of life on a daily basis.
I will never return to believing in the claims of mormonism. Could I one day return to full 'activity?' Sure. But I will never believe in it again. Again, these are two different ideas entirely. I could also attend another church if I felt like it. If I did though, it'd be more for the community and familial aspect than actually finding god.
Cheers. Jeff
I applaud you for thinking through this. So many go through the motions and are not even sure what they believe. Some are not really searching but just want to win the argument.
DeleteWhen I retired we moved to Whidbey Island to where we didn't know anybody but wanted to live close to Puget Sound. I left a job after being there for 28 years and my dad had passed 6 months before. Somebody told me I had gone thru 3 out of 4 of life's biggest stressors with divorce being the 4th. One night I was a special on PBS and I remember the narrator talking about the evolutionary process of millions of years. After being in church all of my life I began to wonder if there was an afterlife. Would I see my dad again? I was already depressed and this just added to it.
I read two books that helped me and led me to several others on the same subject. The first one was a short book entitled, "Why I Believe", by D. James Kennedy. The second book had an even bigger impact on me and it was entitled, "The Case for the Creator", by Lee Strobel. These are not denominational books but tackles the hard questions. Lee Strobel grew up, if I remember correctly, an atheist. A highly educated atheist. His job at the Chicago Tribune only added to his skepticism.
Those are just suggestions because they helped me in my journey. If you want to talk more my email address is drnorth56@yahoo.
Cheers to you, Dan